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In my physician experience, actually a lot of people have a nuanced view on vaccines; picking and choosing which to take (or their own schedules for boosting etc) - it's just the online discourse and politics of it all that are polarized, (as is true of most online discourse and politics these days).

A few things jump out from my knowledge base here as overly skewed against vaccines.

1) If you look at correlational data of course of course it looks like sicker people get more vaccines. They legitimately are higher risk individuals that may be making the rational choice to vaccinate more often (eg. my parents made me get the flu shot growing up only because I had asthma). Additionally, they are interfacing with the healthcare system more often, generally, and so have both more opportunity and more rapport with healthcare workers to take what is recommended. Moreover, the people who are healthcare-seeking are going to get quite a lot more "diagnoses" than those that never visit the doctor, even if the disease burden is the same. There is a reason RCTs are the gold standard...

2) For Hep B specifically, of course, there is a reason this became the protocol (doctors are not just torturing babies for no reason: if it makes no sense look harder). Vaccination at birth prevents vertical transmission from mom to baby which was a very common mode of transmission, and one that results in particularly high levels of chronic infection (as opposed to the immune system beating the infection). Testing mom is not fool proof as there are window periods where infection gets missed. And despite waning antibody titers - which do not reflect the full scope of immune memory - childhood vaccination seems to give good long term protection not just for 10 years. The rates of hep B have fallen dramatically thanks to this vaccine - and even still, deaths from hep B still remain higher than *correlated* reports of death in the time period after vaccination which largely are not thought to be causative.

I agree with you, and regularly preach that everything we do in medicine, as in life, has risks and benefits. We should of course continuously scrutinize those risks and benefits both in our public health recommendations and in our individual decision making. Can we make them without as much gross ingredients? Should the incentives be changed? I don't have insider knowledge on those fronts. But vaccinations are overall a huge benefit of modern medicine and something we do that is actually preventative in a broken sick care system so let's not lose sight of that.

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THANK YOU FOR THIS!! Finally, someone put into words what I try to explain. I don’t consider myself antivax but the ridiculous number that my doc tries to talk me into—every time I have an appointment—is annoying. I try to take care of my immune system through healthy choices and stress reduction. If I decide not to take a vaccine, that should be my gamble.

This article in clear detail show the massive changes to the vaccine schedule since I was a child (1960s). But I I ever question it, I’m told I don’t believe in science. Belief is the very antithesis of science!!!

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